This game looks a LOT like something I would love to play, Pixel art, retro, DnD references, and co-op? Yes please. But I don't see any non-White characters in the screenshots or trailers. Are there non-White characters in the game, or can you customize the main character to have a different skin tone? I kinda prefer to play games that have characters that look like me any my family, especially if I want to share them with my kids.
No offense, but even as I do understand how cool it feels to immerse yourself with a character that represents you, you said it yourself, that's a preference, not a requirement. Games don't need to have inclusion of every gender, ethnicity and anything else, that's something that's been demanded more recently but I simply can't understand why.
I will take offense to that. I didn't say it was a requirement for anyone, not even myself. I said it was my preference. I PREFER such games, especially if I am going to share them with my kids. I want them to see themselves reflected in the media they consume, especially if that can be in the role of a hero.
In pixel games I imagine it is even easier than most other art styles becuase it is as simple as alternate sprite sets. The same way you can run into green, red, and blue versions of a single type of monster? That works for characters and NPCs.
I would ask what's the point of objecting to someone asking about that? Especially if they aren't sating it is mandatory. What result were you hoping to get from someone asking, "I like X, is there any of that in your game?"
Yeah, I understand your point, I believe that's a very cool way of teaching values and morals to children, when they see a fictional hero and say "I want to be cool like that guy"
But then again, why does it need to be the same race, gender, sexuality as you, to feel represented by them?
I'm not saying this to discriminate on inclusion or groups, or whatever. If you think I'm saying this as a white person, saying "I don't like black characters" that's not at all the point, I'm south-american, by the way.
What I'm saying is that I didn't need a latino superman/spider-man while growing up to look up to them and feel represented by their values, ideas, actions, I saw them as role models for who they were, not how they looked like or other superficial traits.
What I mean is, that I believe we should teach people to follow ideas, morals, values, role models, for being perfect examples of humans, being of a certain race, minority or majority or whatever doesn't have anything to do with it. And as kids, myself included, you don't need to see race or the like, you need to see cool humans, and feeling included, represented or whatever won't be based about skin color, we're all literally of the same species anyway. I hope I expressed myself properly, and I took your comment as saying it was a requirement because you asked if the author could make their main character black, or add more black characters, but I would say that we should focus on judging the author's work by the story they're portraying, the writing, etc. And not by the inclusion they're showing or lacking.
Calling representation a “preference” ignores the reality that for marginalized people, absence isn’t neutral. When games default to all-white casts, it reinforces the idea that some identities are universal while others are optional add-ons. Saying this is a “recent demand” erases the fact that Black people existed in the 80s and have always existed in these spaces, even when media chose not to show us. You’re free to make whatever creative choices you want, but those choices still communicate values, intentionally or not. Creative freedom doesn’t mean those choices are beyond critique, especially when they contribute to a long-standing pattern of exclusion. Wanting to see racial difference reflected isn’t entitlement... it’s a reasonable response to being consistently left out.
Yeah but that's a personal perspective and motive that you are perceiving yourself, as you can't really decide whether or not the intention of an author was to discriminate certain races by not showing them, or rather hadn't thought about how to introduce a character. It's easy to assume things, and even easier to always think of the negatives, in my experience.
For instance, let's say the author did in fact added a black-skinned character, and represented them in a stereotypical way that showed his personality biased by his "race", now you have a character that I could point at and say "Hey! You're stereotyzing (or however you say that) a black character! That's racist!". Wich would be a dumb thing to say, on the contrary, you can also critique the game and say "Hey! You don't have black characters, that's discriminating!", wich I feel is also stupid, not everything has to be about race, and not every story needs inclusion of every other human group there is. And I mentioned that while it is cool to feel represented by a character for their race, traits, etc. Why can't you feel represented by a human that's not your same race, ethnicity, gender? Instead of judging values, ways of thinking, and judging people by being humans just as we are, we are pointing out their color skin, I'm latino and light-skinned, but I feel represented by asian football players due to their discipline, independent women, etc.
My guy, you turned a simple question into something really messy and wierd. Please stop. I found a video further down the comment chain that shows more fo the game and seems to answer my question for the most part.
Please let people ask things like this without making so complicated next time? Sometimes people just want to know if they can change the outfit on a character, or pet the dog.
gonna guess you "can't understand why" because you're a straight white male and have never once felt left out of anything or been in a position where asking "are there any people like me in this" was a question you'd even need to ask.
I am actually not white, light-skinned maybe, and south-american, not from the states. And no, being white, straight and male hasn't really gave me the privilege of a perfect life, because the world doesn't work based on race, so your assumption is actually racist itself (and even sexist and almost discriminative based on sexuality too, wich is crazy double standards), as you assume every white straight male person lacks the "moral values" to have empathy or have suffered in life. I've been bullied for having curly hair, discriminated due to my average height, insulted for having to wear glasses back when I was a kid, abused by my mother, etc.
So, let me guess, you're a soft person who's been a victim of a bad occurence in your life or victimized yourself based on a group you belong to (even if you weren't personally attacked), and now you wander life believing that certain groups, such as yours, and other minorities have a rough life while you despise other races, ethnicities, genders even(?, because of your ideology and also a lack of understanding other people views. Accurate enough?
Smack desk. This is a fun one, I didn't know I wanted something with diablo and earthbound smashed together and yet here we are. And there are just so many little details to dig into here and there.
Wow, your team made a real enjoyable game. Personally having a little trouble playing on keyboard (is it designed more for using a controller?) but still really liking it so far. I'm in the trailer park section with all the bugs.
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This game looks a LOT like something I would love to play, Pixel art, retro, DnD references, and co-op? Yes please. But I don't see any non-White characters in the screenshots or trailers. Are there non-White characters in the game, or can you customize the main character to have a different skin tone? I kinda prefer to play games that have characters that look like me any my family, especially if I want to share them with my kids.
No offense, but even as I do understand how cool it feels to immerse yourself with a character that represents you, you said it yourself, that's a preference, not a requirement. Games don't need to have inclusion of every gender, ethnicity and anything else, that's something that's been demanded more recently but I simply can't understand why.
I will take offense to that. I didn't say it was a requirement for anyone, not even myself. I said it was my preference. I PREFER such games, especially if I am going to share them with my kids. I want them to see themselves reflected in the media they consume, especially if that can be in the role of a hero.
In pixel games I imagine it is even easier than most other art styles becuase it is as simple as alternate sprite sets. The same way you can run into green, red, and blue versions of a single type of monster? That works for characters and NPCs.
I would ask what's the point of objecting to someone asking about that? Especially if they aren't sating it is mandatory. What result were you hoping to get from someone asking, "I like X, is there any of that in your game?"
Yeah, I understand your point, I believe that's a very cool way of teaching values and morals to children, when they see a fictional hero and say "I want to be cool like that guy"
But then again, why does it need to be the same race, gender, sexuality as you, to feel represented by them?
I'm not saying this to discriminate on inclusion or groups, or whatever. If you think I'm saying this as a white person, saying "I don't like black characters" that's not at all the point, I'm south-american, by the way.
What I'm saying is that I didn't need a latino superman/spider-man while growing up to look up to them and feel represented by their values, ideas, actions, I saw them as role models for who they were, not how they looked like or other superficial traits.
What I mean is, that I believe we should teach people to follow ideas, morals, values, role models, for being perfect examples of humans, being of a certain race, minority or majority or whatever doesn't have anything to do with it. And as kids, myself included, you don't need to see race or the like, you need to see cool humans, and feeling included, represented or whatever won't be based about skin color, we're all literally of the same species anyway. I hope I expressed myself properly, and I took your comment as saying it was a requirement because you asked if the author could make their main character black, or add more black characters, but I would say that we should focus on judging the author's work by the story they're portraying, the writing, etc. And not by the inclusion they're showing or lacking.
Calling representation a “preference” ignores the reality that for marginalized people, absence isn’t neutral. When games default to all-white casts, it reinforces the idea that some identities are universal while others are optional add-ons. Saying this is a “recent demand” erases the fact that Black people existed in the 80s and have always existed in these spaces, even when media chose not to show us. You’re free to make whatever creative choices you want, but those choices still communicate values, intentionally or not. Creative freedom doesn’t mean those choices are beyond critique, especially when they contribute to a long-standing pattern of exclusion. Wanting to see racial difference reflected isn’t entitlement... it’s a reasonable response to being consistently left out.
Yeah but that's a personal perspective and motive that you are perceiving yourself, as you can't really decide whether or not the intention of an author was to discriminate certain races by not showing them, or rather hadn't thought about how to introduce a character. It's easy to assume things, and even easier to always think of the negatives, in my experience.
For instance, let's say the author did in fact added a black-skinned character, and represented them in a stereotypical way that showed his personality biased by his "race", now you have a character that I could point at and say "Hey! You're stereotyzing (or however you say that) a black character! That's racist!". Wich would be a dumb thing to say, on the contrary, you can also critique the game and say "Hey! You don't have black characters, that's discriminating!", wich I feel is also stupid, not everything has to be about race, and not every story needs inclusion of every other human group there is. And I mentioned that while it is cool to feel represented by a character for their race, traits, etc. Why can't you feel represented by a human that's not your same race, ethnicity, gender? Instead of judging values, ways of thinking, and judging people by being humans just as we are, we are pointing out their color skin, I'm latino and light-skinned, but I feel represented by asian football players due to their discipline, independent women, etc.
My guy, you turned a simple question into something really messy and wierd. Please stop. I found a video further down the comment chain that shows more fo the game and seems to answer my question for the most part.
Please let people ask things like this without making so complicated next time? Sometimes people just want to know if they can change the outfit on a character, or pet the dog.
gonna guess you "can't understand why" because you're a straight white male and have never once felt left out of anything or been in a position where asking "are there any people like me in this" was a question you'd even need to ask.
I am actually not white, light-skinned maybe, and south-american, not from the states. And no, being white, straight and male hasn't really gave me the privilege of a perfect life, because the world doesn't work based on race, so your assumption is actually racist itself (and even sexist and almost discriminative based on sexuality too, wich is crazy double standards), as you assume every white straight male person lacks the "moral values" to have empathy or have suffered in life. I've been bullied for having curly hair, discriminated due to my average height, insulted for having to wear glasses back when I was a kid, abused by my mother, etc.
So, let me guess, you're a soft person who's been a victim of a bad occurence in your life or victimized yourself based on a group you belong to (even if you weren't personally attacked), and now you wander life believing that certain groups, such as yours, and other minorities have a rough life while you despise other races, ethnicities, genders even(?, because of your ideology and also a lack of understanding other people views. Accurate enough?
nah, just not a dick
Smack desk. This is a fun one, I didn't know I wanted something with diablo and earthbound smashed together and yet here we are. And there are just so many little details to dig into here and there.
great game
Wow, your team made a real enjoyable game. Personally having a little trouble playing on keyboard (is it designed more for using a controller?) but still really liking it so far. I'm in the trailer park section with all the bugs.
We've changed some gameplay tweaks regarding that! Check it out :D
On Steam, for the co-op, can you utilize the Remote Play feature?
Now you can, we have shared a tweak on Kingdom of Night's Discord!
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